What is a ghost? And what causes a haunting? Parapsychologist Brandon Massullo shares theories and perspectives from his new book, The Ghost Studies. Plus a discussion of Resonance, EMF, and Environmental Sensitivity!
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Joining Patrick in the parlor this week is Dominic Parker, the creator of the Am I Psychic? mobile app that’s bringing parapsychology into the 21st Century! It’s a legitimate psychological study that users can participate in while playing! Plus random number generators, and parapsychology as a study!
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Parapsychologist, Loyd Auerbach, discusses the study of parapsychology, evaluating mediums using science, paranormal literature, and the Forever Family Association.
This post has been rolling around in my head for several months now. I didn’t really want to put it out there until it felt right, rather than being forced. And since I’ve been waiting for a long time to get my head in the right place to write about it, I decided I’m not going to stop until I get it all out. I’m not always great at verbalizing or making sense of my thoughts… or organizing them, so forgive me.
Some of you may find this fascinating, but others might want to skip this one (or look at the pictures… which means I should add at least one). Some of you might find it frustrating. Some of you will no doubt be annoyed with me (just as I am with myself sometimes)… but as many of you have complimented me on the fact that I question things and have an unbiased, openly skeptic approach, I hope it’s okay that I’m being honest here. But I felt I needed to explain why I pushed pause on EVP and Ouija a while back. And I think it really does have a good ending! If you’re reading on, you might need a bookmark though. Ha! (Actually, this might be one of those read it before I wake up tomorrow and decide to delete it posts.)
For a while now, I’ve felt like I’ve been slacking in contributing to EVP or Ouija research or experimentation, and really, spirit communication in general. I know that a lot of the earliest readers and supporters of this blog came here for exactly that. And I used to occasionally have a nice treat for these folks, like a report from a paranormal investigation, audio samples or possible EVP/Spirit Box/Ouija evidence, etc. from my sessions. Looking back through my posts, unless you count a few of my reports on my Belvoir Winery weekend, it has been since January that I’ve reported on any of my spirit communication research. Why? Well… because even as far back as a year ago, when I disappointed my friend and researcher (and long-lost cousin) Randall Keller by dragging my feet and dropping the ball on some joint EVP research, I started experiencing some serious burnout. So there really hasn’t been any research. I hope Randy forgives me, but as you’ll soon learn, I’m not the easiest partner to experiment with, so he may have gotten over it quickly.
This is me sitting and waiting for EVP.
First of all, it’s tiresome and time-consuming!
If you’ve ever conducted consistent and serious EVP sessions, for example, you know that you’ll spend at least twice the time it took to record it, to just give a basic sweep through to analyze what you have. If you decide to record every day for 30 or 40 minutes over the space of a week, you can expect to be sitting at a computer with headphones for at least 7 to 9 hours analyzing that week, and probably longer! That’s a nice full day of work with no paycheck. For me though, I get so focused and detailed that it takes way longer than that. And I’m incredibly OCD about organization and tasks, so it’s not easy for me to work at it for 30 minutes here, put it away for a couple of days, 30 minutes there. That drives me nuts and clutters my brain. So when I dig into this stuff, people around me usually just don’t see me for a while.
Secondly, there’s the problem of feeling let down or disappointed after not finding evidence, or at least not much of it, considering the time that went into analysis. Though some people in the field seem to find it way easier to claim and file EVP away, I cannot. I do have treasured EVP that I believe to be very special, and yes, paranormal. But those EVP are few and far between. Believe me. I WANT these noises and sounds to be EVP, but my heart and brain simply won’t let me claim something is paranormal or a voice from a spirit, unless I know deep down that it is. It’s almost never black and white for me. I will pour over the slightest flagged portion of an audio track for an hour or more, and though it may sound paranormal, and though I could force myself to hear a message, I almost always find that there are explainable reasons for what I’m hearing. That led me to recording sessions with two recorders, once again doubling the time it takes to go over the files. Through the use of that second recorder, I was ruling out most of what I was flagging as possible EVP from the other one. When life continues to move on around you, and when real life and a job doesn’t stop calling, coming up with zero evidence when you’re experimenting consistently, is a real downer.
Me again… waiting for EVP. A different day though, and I’m wearing a different outfit.
I absolutely believe that capturing electronic voices of spirits and other entities is possible and a legitimate phenomena. What I’ve begun to realize is that everyone does it differently. Everyone has different standards. Everyone has a different amount of patience. Everyone slept a different number of hours the night before. Everyone had a different lunch. Everyone possesses different abilities, knowledge, and experience.
On some of the many paranormal investigating team sites out there, an investigator might proudly share his “Class A” EVP and be confident that the whole world will hear a particular message. I might laugh and try to figure out a polite way of saying… Dude, did you just start trying out EVP yesterday? Are you sure that’s not a footstep or someone clearing their throat? Or gas? And I’m confident that other investigators have had similar chuckles and thoughts about my claims. I’m also pretty confident that I don’t personally know any fakers out there, but you know they’re there. So then I start thinking… What’s the game? And what’s the point if everyone plays differently?
Parapsychologist Mark Leary has conducted studies on improving the interpretation of EVP among investigators and researchers. In the Summer 2013 ATransC (Association TransCommunication, formerly AA-EVP) News Journal, Dr. Leary concludes the following in an article about his research.
“Low agreement in EVP interpretations is the elephant in the room among those who are interested in EVP. All investigators know that low agreement is a problem, but they hate to confront it because it casts a pall on the entire enterprise of recording and interpreting EVP. Yet, failing to confront the issue simply creates more difficulties. Consistently acknowledging the agreement problem and encouraging investigators to be honest and cautious in how they assert their interpretations is an important first step.”
Though I haven’t yet dived into the actual studies, the mentioned article is fascinating and frustrating all at the same time. But it resonates with me and helps to explain my burnout. It is difficult to find ATransC articles and news journals if you’re not a member, but if you’re involved in EVP at all, try to look for it.
Kirsten A. Thorne, PhD publishes a blog with fascinating thoughts as she travels on her own paranormal journey. In what seemed like amazing timing, a few months ago she published Are EVP Meant Only For the Person Recording Them? and Why Investigators Typically Don’t Validate Other’s Data as Evidence. I’ve kept the links in my e-mail inbox for a long time, just for this post. In a comment to Kirsten, I tried to explain some of what I have here, but also that most of the time I find myself avoiding commenting or validating other investigator’s evidence. It doesn’t mean I don’t listen, but if I’m so incredibly hard on my own evidence, imagine what my brain goes through when I hear someone else’s evidence, and knowing I wasn’t there to see the whole situation, or to use my second recorder (or to partake in the late night snacks!) And does it really matter what I think? Does the trouble that my crazy analytical, yet complete believer brain puts me through really matter to someone else? Not really… at least not in most cases. Kirsten doesn’t need that… and neither do you. Am I still talking? (Gosh! No wonder spirits stay away from me!)
Let me just add this before I move on. Though I don’t believe a haunted location is required to capture EVP, it certainly seems to me that my very comfortable and non-haunted home struggles to let voices in, making me believe that a haunted location certainly makes it easier. It has been suggested that I haven’t yet developed the ear to capture large amounts of amazing EVP. And it very well may be that just like sensitivity to spirit, our ears may all work at different levels. God knows that if my ears are going in the same direction as my eyes, I’m in trouble. In my case though, I do not believe that my lack of confident EVP samples is due to a lack of experience or knowledge… and I hope that doesn’t sound cocky.
So where are you going with this, dude? You sound pretty down and bummed out right now.
Well, I had to explain and describe the whole back story of my burnout, especially for those who may not know what goes into all of this, or for those considering it.
And you included “Ouija” in the title of this post. Are you ever going to get to that? Come on, dude! I’ve got dishes to do!
Meril waiting for EVP. He’s more patient than I am.
Sorry. Okay, so this past weekend I had the pleasure and honor of having an amazing and fun discussion with Karen A. Dahlman, a person whom I have much respect for. I was interviewing her for an upcoming episode of The Big Séance Podcast. Along with being a psychotherapist, a hypnotherapist, a business owner, and an author, she’s an expert Ouija-ologist with over 40 years of practice and positive experiences with the board. In the last year, I’ve contacted her a few times after reading her book, and she’s been very supportive and willing to give advice and tips. She is so amazing and genuine, and knowledgable of so many topics, that I could listen to her all day. (I call her my “life-ologist”.)
Though I haven’t put in the same amount of time into the Ouija board as I have EVP, it fascinates me just as much or more! But I’ve experienced a similar burnout and disappointment with the board. As most of you know, I’ve yet to have any movement from the planchette in any of my sessions, whether with a partner or by myself.
There is just something about Karen’s message that woke me up, I think. I really can’t wait for you to hear the episode. I was reminded of how patient and consistent I had to be with my first formal and consistent EVP experiment, which many of you were there for. Though I never ended up with a gold mine of voices, some tiny gems were recorded. And I thought back to the luck of capturing what I still consider to be my paranormal team’s greatest EVP in what was only our second investigation. What a rush!
Karen and I both agreed that I need to continue working with the board, only this time LET GO and have more patience. As much as it pains me to say this, I need to get my analytical brain out of it… not all of it… but I need to let go (Cue the Frozen soundtrack).
So I’ve had a break of several months now, and I may just be getting inspired to get back into the game, with the Ouija for sure. There’s a lot of time and patience involved, but you don’t have to spend 9 hours analyzing audio (unless of course you incorporate EVP into the sessions as I have in the past).
I think I’m going to look at this research a little bit different now. It’s going to be more personal, and not so black and white. That doesn’t mean that you won’t hear about any of it or see or hear samples, or be able to follow my progress, but it’s not so much about getting validation from others, or from myself even. And just know that I probably won’t comment on your EVP, and that doesn’t mean anything either. I’ve got to lighten up, let go, and just roll with this wave.
I really don’t think that the Ouija board and I ever really got to know each other well enough yet. I’m not done with that chapter. And yes, there may even be a new, yet simplified chapter with my old friend EVP as well. But I’m not pressuring myself.
Thanks for reading… and listening… and for supporting…
Peace out!
Have you received a phone call from the dead? Have you heard stories from someone else who has? If you did, was there an actual conversation? When did you realize you were speaking to a dead person? Was it before or after the conversation? Was anyone else there to witness it? Were you asleep when the phone rang? Can you say for sure that you actually heard the phone ring? Can the phone company trace or provide a record of the call? And maybe you missed the call. Was there a voice mail? Did the phone call serve as some kind of warning of an emergency? Did the experience fall on the anniversary of a specific event? Just think of the research that would be involved with documenting and proving (or not) that this phenomena is real and exists. Just like EVP and other forms of spirit communication, it is next to impossible to plan and analyze these phone calls in laboratory conditions. But don’t worry. Callum “Cal” Cooper (currently pursuing doctoral research in psychology and parapsychology at the University of Northampton in the UK) did all of the work for you. But there’s more work to do and something tells me he’s not done.
From the back of the book and the author’s website:
There are potentially hundreds of people who have experienced bizarre events of Telephone Calls from the Dead, and much like ghosts, and any other parapsychological phenomena, they appear to be highly common. Once all explanations have been considered, psychological and physical, are we genuinely faced with the reality of contact with the dead and evidence for survival?
This question has been asked before, and was investigated back in 1979, in a book entitled Phone Calls from the Dead, written by D. Scott Rogo and Raymond Bayless. For many years, this subject has remained dormant, until now.
Author, Cal Cooper
Photo from www.calcooper.com
I really enjoyed reading and learning about the past research that Cooper covers in the book. Several times I’ve passed up the opportunity to read the book by Rogo and Bayless. But since Cooper takes over where Rogo and Bayless left off, I really feel like I got two books in one. Like many of my books, this will be one that I will stick on the shelf and probably refer to often.
If you’ve heard Cal speak, you know he has some interesting things to say. As I’ve mentioned before, he seems young, hip, and handsome, and I can’t help but wonder and get excited for what he’ll bring to the future of parapsychology.
Some Harsh Words for EVP Research
Have you ever received a phone call from the dead?
The following is a portion of a letter from John L. Randall that was sent to Callum E. Cooper and included in his recent book, Telephone Calls from the Dead. This portion actually has more to do with EVP than phone calls from spirits, but it jumped out at me and I flagged it. John L. Randall (who passed away in 2011 not long after writing this) was a biologist and a member of the UK’s Society of Psychical Research. In this letter, Randall was critiquing anomalous phone calls in general.
“I must confess that I am ninety-eight per cent sceptical when it comes to anything in the field of EVP. I read Raudive’s book when it first came out… I didn’t bother to keep it for my collection. None of his ‘voices’ conveyed anything approaching extended conversation. It struck me that if you are prepared to ransack all the languages of the world you are bound to find a few isolated words which will match up to any random noise on your tape-recorder. By choosing the right language you can even make the ‘voices’ say whatever you want them to say. A noise such as ‘mer’ for example, could be English (a female horse) or French (mother or sea). In playing this game you have plenty of scope for innovation!”
I’ve been finding that I am more critical of EVP than many, but OUCH! Tell us how you really feel! 🙂
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The video below is an episode of 30 Odd Minutes with Jeff Belanger. In this episode Jeff interviews Cal Cooper, a parapsychologist from the UK. He is the author of the brand new book Telephone Calls From the Dead, which I just started this week. I really like this guy. He has some interesting things to say and I thought it was a great interview. He seems young and hip, and I can’t help but wonder what he’ll bring to the future of parapsychology.
I wanted to note that in the interview, along with phone calls from the dead, they mention several items that we’ve discussed here recently at The Big Séance. Some of these items include EVP, Friedrich Jurgenson, séance, Spiricom and George Meek’s phone call from Konstantin Raudive from the other side, Thomas Edison, and talking boards.
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On Saturday September 15th, Marilyn and I, along with two other sitters, held our first of two séances for this fall. A more detailed report and a video of the evening will be coming soon. But for now, are you interested in a preview?
Marilyn beautifully announced our intention that evening with the following words.
“We set our intention tonight to bring forth those from the past who have an interest in bringing forth evidence to this physical world that spirit exists – that we as human beings, divine human beings are able to make connections and to communicate with those in spirit. Our intention tonight is also to bring forth, without a shadow of a doubt, evidence and proof that we are divine beings of light.”
Sarah Estep in her home, where she did much of her research. Photo from Rosemary Ellen Guiley’s www.visionaryliving.com
(This is the photo that was used during the séance.)
During the séance, I asked Sarah the following question. “Sarah, your book, Voices of Eternity, has inspired me and many others. I think all of us here are probably very anxious to find the answers to some of the same questions that you were asking of the other side before you crossed over. Can you share some of what you’ve learned since crossing over?”
The inventor, Thomas Alva Edison.
(This is the photo that was used during the séance.)
During the séance, I asked Thomas the following question. “Just before crossing over, you mentioned to your physician ‘It is very beautiful over there’. Can you describe what you were seeing and what we should expect to see when we cross over?”
Medium, Helen Duncan.
(This is the photo that was used during the séance.)
With her experiences with physical mediumship, Helen was asked if there was some kind of physical phenomena that she could produce for us.
Parapsychologist and EVP researcher, Konstantin Raudive.
(This is the photo that was used during the séance.)
Konstantin greeted us with so much information that we didn’t even get to a specific question for him.
Medium and parapsychologist, Eileen Garrett.
(This is the photo that was used during the séance.)
During the séance, I asked Eileen the following question. “As a medium, you were involved with a lot of scientific experiments. Your health was reportedly affected by many of your trance sessions. Can you tell us anything you learned about the well-being of people on earth working in the paranormal or spiritual fields? Are there safety concerns?”
I am very excited to tell you that the report from my Two-Week EVP Experiment from this last Spring was just published in the Summer issue of the Association TransCommunication News Journal. I’d like to sincerely thank Lisa and Tom Butler for including it and believing it was interesting enough to publish. 🙂
I’ve mentioned ATransC and several of the researchers and books associated with this very important group many times in this blog. If you’re interested in EVP, ITC, or any form of spirit communication at all, you should definitely check out their site and the huge wealth of knowledge and resources that are there. You may even want to consider joining. In one way or another, ATransC has played a very big role in this still very new but exciting journey that I’m on.
I’m not yet aware of a link to the online version of this issue, but if you’re interested, the report is very similar to “The EVP Experiment” that is linked above.
By the way! If it’s HOT where you are now, I hope you’re staying safe and COOL, especially if you’re on the East or West coast of the United States. I know I have several friends and readers affected by the extreme weather conditions going on right now. It’s pretty miserable and dry here in Missouri, but we don’t have much to complain about from what I’m hearing and seeing from many of you.
Thanks for visiting and reading!
Peace!
More Conjuring 2, the Warrens, and the Enfield Poltergeist – The Big Séance Podcast #55
Lana and John of Carbon Lilies join me to discuss the questions many have brought up about the upcoming Conjuring 2 movie and whether Ed and Lorraine Warren were ever really involved in the case.
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