Conversations Beyond the Light


I just finished Conversations Beyond the Light: with Departed Friends & Colleagues by Electronic Means by Dr. Pat Kubis and Mark Macy (1995). Rather than write a review, I decided to post a few videos.

This first video is by Mark Macy, who is one of the authors and a pioneer of ITC (Instrumental Transcommunication) research, and is the founder of World ITC.  In this video, Mark discusses the research of George Meek, another very important pioneer in ITC research who crossed over in 1999.



The next video is mainly for the audio, and the description below is from the World ITC website. The book discusses this historical moment of spirit communication.

On January 27, 1994, the telephone rang in George Meek’s office, and once again George Meek made history. It was the late ITC pioneer Konstantin Raudive on the phone, and it was the second spirit phone call ever placed to an American ITC researcher.

G Meek: Good morning, this is George Meek.

K Raudive: This is Konstantin Raudive. George, my friend, at last we succeeded in contacting you. Jeannette is beside me, and she wants to give you all her love. This is Konstantin Raudive. This is the first contact you get from us. I suppose that you can hear me?

G Meek: I can hear you very well. Very plainly.

K Raudive: Fine! So, this is the beginning of a new story, a new chapter, George. You are a very good friend of ours, even if we haven’t met. We will continue this. This is the first bridge we have succeeded to build to the States. Mark was contacted, and I must interrupt now.


About Patrick Keller

Patrick Keller is an educator, blogger, and the host of the Big Séance Podcast, which is a place for paranerds to have an open discussion on all things paranormal, but specifically topics like ghosts and hauntings, paranormal research, spirit communication, psychics and mediums, and life after death. He’s the founder of the now inactive Missouri Spirit Seekers and has spent a lot of time experimenting with spirit communication tools and techniques, such as EVP. Patrick also has a passion for spending hours at a time in cemeteries and loves cemetery photography. Visit! View all posts by Patrick Keller

2 responses to “Conversations Beyond the Light

  • LeeAllenHoward

    I LOVE this book. Even though I don’t do ITC, the information from the spirit world that was communicated really encouraged me. I recently finished Macy’s “Spirit Face,” about spirit photography. What did you think of “Converstations,” Patrick.

    • Patrick

      Totally forgot to reply to you. I hope you still like me. I thought the book was good. Until now I’ve put most of the world of ITC research to the side because I haven’t been as interested, other than EVP, which technically falls under that umbrella. I plan on getting at least a taste of all things ITC soon… But, a lot of the information in the book I’ve read in other books previously, except for the images, which by the way I actually feel bad for being a bit skeptical about. After such a hard core summer of all things paranormal, I am experiencing symptoms of paranormal overload. Read an interesting blog post this morning that I was totally meant to see!

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